Revealing are
the words "
within
the first five
minutes of
viewing".
Doesn't
reflect much
objectivity.
Much like
Liberty Hodes
letter which
begins "
For
a while I have
been aware of
the vine star
'dapper
laughs' and
it's also come
to my
attention that
he was been
commissioned
for a show
which now
plays on ITV2
I gave the
idea the
benefit of the
doubt, despite
being worried,
knowing that
Dapper's main
joke is the
objectification
and mocking of
women and
women's
sexualities,
he is often
seen
non-consentually
harassing
women. The TV
show itself
has confirmed
my worries...".
You can
view
it in full on
the other page
if you want.
Not that she
doesn't have
lots of good
points to make
but these
people don't
seem to be
coming to Mr
Dapper with a
completely
open
mind.
It's more like
a mind
thinking "I've
seen a small
car crash
...and I'm
expecting to
see a bigger
car
crash".
Although to be
fair it was a
massive car
crash but...
Both these
people have
tuned into a
show fearing
it will
violate their
moral code and
discovered
that it does
indeed.
Unlike Mr
Kern, Ms Gotch
and Ms Hodes
I'm something
of an expert
on
transgressive
art
controversies
and whereas
they thought
immediately of
young people
being
corrupted I'm
afraid I
thought
immediately of
Dada and
Croydon's
other great
sexist
Allen
Jones RA.
It's not that
my mother set
out to corrupt
me it's just
if your mother
is researching
art for work
you're going
to end up
being exposed
to some
transgressive
art and
learning
something of
what really
drives each
political
lobby and
religious
group to near
distraction.
Believe it or
not creating
deliberately
transgressive
art that
really shocks
people is
quite
hard.
For example
Un Chien Andalou
the Dali
Brunel
collaboration
was intended
as a joke to
shock as many
people as
possible by
including as
many
nightmarish
pieces of
sadism as the
two could
construct
between
them.
They were
massively
upset when it
became a
classic of
popular
culture.
Daniel and ITV
seem to have
done the
reverse.
Set out to
make something
popular only
to upset the
middle classes
by
mistake.
Still I think
Dapper is a
Dadaist
classic and
that's what
counts.

As
I say the
great thing
about comedy
is that it's
entertainment
first, art
second so you
can avoid some
controversy on
the basis it's
not
entertaining
enough.
That said it's
kind of nice
that there are
some acts like
Scott Capurro
who are really
out
there.
Not that I'll
be booking
him. I'm
staying firmly
at the
let's-not-get-beaten-up
edge of
comedy.
That's not to
say that the
program isn't
actually
immoral just
that it's
violating a
major
ideological
boundary - the
modern
Feminist sin
of
objectifying
women.
Michael Legge
assures me
that this is
wrong.
In all
circumstances
I guess.
So if you
believe this
there is no
level on which
you can
morally
approve of the
show no matter
how it's
made.
There is no
room for
compromise.
It doesn't
really matter
how well or
badly it is
executed.
The central
premise of the
show is
regarded
by its critics
as so morally
wrong it just
shouldn't be
on
television...
in any
form.
It's also
breaking the
ideological
boundary that
masculinity is
learned
according to
feminist
theory and
therefore how
we socially
construct it
is "very
important" so
by seemingly
treating it as
unimportant
Dapper Laughs
is breaking
another
feminist
taboo. I
guess someone
like
Peter
Jackson
would
say "
the
form of
oppression
varies from
patriarchal
controls over
women's bodies
and
reproductive
rights,
through
ideologies of
domesticity,
femininity and
compulsory
heterosexuality,
to social
definitions of
the value of
work, the
nature of
skill and the
differential
remuneration
of
'productive'
and
'reproductive'
labor."
To which I
would say I'm
bad enough at
normal
Geography
without
attempting
Social
Geography.
Maybe someone
could patent a
Social
Geographic
Satnav for me
so I know how
I'm supposed
to relate to
my gender
wherever I am.
For those of
you who
haven't
watched the
show (
my
advice is
don't it's
like sticking
pins in your
eyes to
prevent
yourself from
falling asleep
due to boredom)
the first five
minutes of the
show involve
Daniel
O'Reilly
walking down a
street telling
the male
viewers how he
can help them
to find love
before turning
to the camera
and saying
something like
"
am I
bollocks I'm
here to teach
you how to
pull".
And that's
where the
problems
begin.
The program
isn't just
offensive or
unpleasant to
some people
its whole
message is
heretical to a
certain type
of viewer -
Feminists
(well most of
them).
And probably a
lot of
religious
people
too. And
Bridget
Christie who
manages the
herculean
mental
achievement of
being both
Roman Catholic
and Feminist -
could there be
an ideological
crossover?
...with less
religious
people about
to be consumed
with the
important
business of
managing
sexual
repression
it's little
wonder the
void has been
filled by
ideological
political
pressure
groups.
Whatever there
is clearly a
large feminist
lobby who have
been looking
for someone to
make an
example of and
“take down”
for some time…
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/aug/17/heard-one-about-rape-funny-now
…perhaps
without
realising it
Daniel was
made-to-measure
for their ire
as unlike
other
comedians who
do similarly
offensive
jokes sex and
casual sex
were not just
part of but
the central
theme of his
act.
This acticle
by Tanya Gold
contains my
favourite
quote of all
time about the
open mic
circuit and
misogynist
material ...
"
It is most
common on the
open mic
circuit where
young
comedians play
for nothing
and you can,
if you wish,
hear 20
comedians
telling 20
rape jokes in
one night"
...why I
wonder would I
bother to
censor the
acts if I'd
going to get
accused of
promoting
loads of rape
jokes
anyway.
Funny how the
problem's
always at the
bottom, isn't
it?
For one thing
booking 20
people who are
all male and
each tell a
rape joke must
take some
effort in
social
engineering
...one would
have
thought.
Of course the
great thing
about
promoting
comedy is that
most of the
censorship
problems are
self
solving.
There are very
few people who
are both
offensive and
funny so you
can not book
people on the
basis they're
not funny and
decieve
yourself that
you're not not
booking them
because
they're
offensive.
That still
leaves the few
that are funny
and offensive
who keep you
racked with
guilt one way
or the other
over whether
or not to book
them all the
time but in
the end it
really doesn't
matter they
just go
somewhere
else.
That said Viz
the Spoon who
runs spoken
word / music
nights didn't
of course have
the
get-out-of-jail-free
card of just
pretending
someone wasn't
funny enough
to book and so
he did have an
explicit "no
rape jokes"
policy so I
guess there
must be a
problem
somewhere.
This is only
London's 2nd
Worst Comedy
Club.
Competition
for the number
1 spot is
tough.
Dapper Laughs
: On the Pull
as the title s

uggests
is a program
that promotes
casual sex for
the sake of
sex not
love.
Someone at ITV
compared
Daniel's
character
Dapper Laughs
to Cilla Black
and it's easy
to see the
connection.
The format of
Dapper Laughs
is an
inversion of
the format of
Blind
Date. In
Blind Date a
woman choses a
man to go on a
date with who
she hasn't
seen based on
how well he
answers her
questions.
This is
childish but
supports the
accepted
social
conventions of
relationships
being based on
romance and
personality
and not
dependent on
looks.
On Dapper
Laughs a man
goes out to
fuck a woman
he has never
met before
with as little
conversation
as possible
along the
way.
It's not hard
to see how
this would
violate
feminism's
moral codes
and indeed the
moral codes of
many major
religions.
The producers
obviously
aware of this
problem have
tried to
address it in
the first 5
minutes : this
program is
about pulling
if you don't
want to know
switch
over. As
Kenney Everett
would have
said "You've
all got a knob
there - use
it!".
Kenny's unique
brand of smut
saw him sacked
from just
about every
radio and TV
station there
was endlessly
boosting his
career ... but
of course
young people
wont remember
that.
Bless 'em.
Dapper Laughs
is a pick up
artist and the
problem is
not, as with
say Jimmy
Carr, that his
jokes may be
amoral.
It is that he
is seen as
promoting the
wrong kind of
morality...
according to
44 do-gooders
who signed a
rather vomitty
letter.
But ..what is
really
interesting is
what this
tells us about
the power of
words over
images.
Fellini’s
Satyricon
(packed with
sexual
objectification
and
perversion),
Bergman’s
Cries and
Whispers (in
which a woman
mutilates her
own vagina
with broken
glass) and
Dali’s Un
Chien Andalou
(in which a
woman has her
eye slit open
by a razor
blade) have
all I think
been on late
night TV with
little or no
protest. Not
to mention
Channel 4 once
broadcasting
the infamous
Penthouse
funded
Caligula
with only some
of the
hardcore porn
pixelated
out. And
of course you
can see the
working
classes
actually
having casual
sex on Big
Brother. But
talk about
pulling and
fucking and
the sky falls
in on the
middle
classes.
Anyone
remember when
Terry and June
were victims
of a hate
campaign for
being too
inoffensive.
Of course the
argument for
censoring
Dapper Laughs
is that he and
his show
promotes
rape.
But really the
rape jokes are
just the
easiest angle
to promote
censorship
from. He told
a rape joke,
this might
incite real
rape – we
should take
him off air.
Incitement is
always the
simplest
argument you
can come up
with.
Explaining the
complex ways
in which such
jokes may
fragment
society in
other ways
takes too
long. So
let's keep it
simple - it's
all a
"rapist's
charter".
However the
truth is that
his critics
disagree
politically
not just with
his use of
language but
with his
message ...and
to a profound
degree
...as I
suspect now
does Daniel
himself. The
feminist lobby
disagrees that
there is
anything to be
“learned”
about pulling
– and they may
be right. A
large section
(though not
all) of them
disagree with
the promotion
of casual sex.
Then there’s
the ethical
issues of
catcalling.
The program
trod through
all these
minefields
like an
elephant
carrying a
block of
concrete and
the mines
exploded.
Quelle
surprise.
But is
there a way to
explore male
sexuality on
stage or TV
without the
mines
exploding?
Critics of
Dapper Laughs
claim that his
character
perhaps could
have worked if
it was made
clear to the
audience that
the joke was
on him.
I'm not sure
that it
would.
If Daniel had
just been
making fun of
men that might
have worked
but the
problem the PC
brigade had
with him is
that actually
he was trying
to "help" men
and it wasn't
clear which
bits of his
act/show were
meant to be
genuine
advice, self
satire or
nonsense.
For those of
you who miss
his advice
here are
Dapper's top
10 tips
rescued from
the Daily
Star:
Dapper
Laughs's Top
Ten Tips For
Picking Up The
Ladies
1. Be
funny
"If you can
make a bird
laugh, you can
normally get
in her
knickers."
2. Be
confidence.
"You've got to
be confident.
If you're not
interested in
yourself, then
no one is
going to be
interested in
you."
3. Look after
your
appearance
"Nice clothes,
sort your
barnet out,
look good.
These days if
you think you
don't have to
smarten
yourself up
you're just
setting your
game back
because
everyone else
is ahead of
you."
4. Be sociable
"You're not
going to pull
any birds sat
in your room
playing games
consoles. Make
sure you get
out and
about."
5. Have good
wingmen
"Pick your
mates
carefully
because a bird
is going to be
looking at you
as a group at
first. You can
either have
good looking
mates that
will attract
the girls or
have ugly
mates so you
looking
amazing."
6. Hide your
insults
"Compliment a
girl and bring
up, but bring
her down a
little bit
too. Don't put
her on a
pedestal so
she thinks
she's got
everything
going on."
7. Physical
contact
"If you can
touch a woman
while talking
to her so its
part of your
conversation,
without it
coming across
as sexual
harassment,
you're in."
8. Eye contact
"This is key.
You have to
drag out your
eye contact a
couple of
seconds
longer, then
she knows."
9. Talk about
sex, without
talking about
sex
"Have the
ability to say
anything to a
woman but make
her think
you're talking
about sex.
Stare into her
eyes, smile
and make her
know you're
thinking about
her naked."
10. Closing
the deal
"You have two
options - ask
her to make
the final step
or tell her
whats
happening.
Forget option
1, that never
works. Whack
her in the
cab, off to
the next bar -
most likely to
be your place.
She loves the
confidence and
she's putting
out."
Okay they're
probably all
bollocks but
are they such
dangerous
bollocks that
society needs
to be
protected from
him? The
NUS certainly
think so and a
large body of
feminists
believe the
whole Pick Up
Artist scene
which Dapper
Laughs
personifies is
the epitome of
evil.
They may have
a point.
With the best
will in the
world you're
on a sticky
wicket,
Dapper.
Although
Jimmy Carr
tells rape
jokes these
are not
disguised or
confused with
sensible
suggestions.
It's quite
clear Jimmy is
talking
bollocks from
the start to
the end of his
set.... it's
the removal of
this conceit
that makes
Dapper Laughs:
On the Pull so
explosive.
As I said the
refreshing
thing about
his show is
that he likes
the people who
are on
it. Lee
Nelson I'm not
so sure likes
all the people
on his show
but at least
he's a more
three
dimensional
character with
a complicated
back story who
you can sort
of believe in
as a person...
just.
The thing
is this isn't
the first case
of a comic
being slated
for daring to
explore the
taboo area of
male
sexuality.
Fans of
viceral
Chortle
reviews will
remember Julia
Chamberlain's
review of Pete
Jonas's show Dark
Side of the
Poon.
A show
seemingly so
awful that
Julia gave it
"no stars".
"Appropriately
enough you’ll
find this
sorry little
show in the
Caves.
I’m reluctant
to give this
crock a
considered
review, but
I’m probably
not the target
audience..
That small
constituency
probably won’t
make it, as
lockdown is at
6.30pm and a
ten-stretch
for hate crime
would keep you
away from the
festival."
Now I haven't
seen this show
but according
to those who I
have met who
have survived
it ...it does
seem to be
something of
an epic car
crash on the
scale of
Dapper Laughs
... its
highlight
being a 7ft
lifesize
squirting
vagina built
by prop man
Martin
Soan.
But it says
something of
the mindset of
the reviewer
that they
start off by
telling us the
whole show is
hate crime and
that it
doesn't
deserve a
considered
review.
Why not?
Jerry
Sadowitz's
latest
offering
which is no
doubt bursting
with racist
gags but it
still gets a
considered
review:
"
Say
what you like
about Jerry
Sadowitz, but
he was way
ahead of the
curve. He was
spouting
racist,
sexist,
anti-disabled,
homophobic,
gratuitously
sick jokes
back in the
distant days
when comedy
had a
politically-correct
face.
Nowadays,
every Ricky,
Jimmy and
Frankie uses
the language
of hate, only
occasionally
with a
fig-leaf of
irony."
To me this
says that male
sexuality is
now so taboo
it's simplest
not to talk
about it
all.
Fortunately I
have no
sexuality
myself so the
problem
doesn't
arise.
However really
I'd say Dapper
Laughs is just
ahead of the
curve.
In the end
Dapper Laughs
TV show was
sunk by what
is known in
the comedy
industry as
"the Sadowtiz
effect".
Try as they
might to tone
down his
content for
television TV
producers have
always been
undermined by
the disparity
this creates
between
Jerry's stage
act and his TV
act.
According to
the feminist
lobby pick up
artists like
Dapper Laughs
are
very
bad indeed.
It is
according to
the New
Statesman a
pesudo
science (
unlike feminism and gender studies of course which is
all built on
rock solid
scientific
foundations)
and very
bad.
But can you
actually learn
anything about
pulling?
Well, I found
this article
in a
peer
reviewed
journal....
so maybe there
are some
answers
somewhere.
However,
saying so is
heresy so best
it stay in the
back of pubs
where old men
tell young men
and young men
tell young men
long
convoluted old
wives tales
that don't
work.
Like "don't
get stuck in
the friend
zone" and "she
aint your
mate".
The New
Statesman's
demolition of
the PUA
community (
of which I'm not and never have been a member conciously)
starts off
well reminding
us of the
PUAHate.com
controversy in
the states
when a pick up
artists forum
schismed to
create an
anti-pick up
artists forum
which seemed
to hate both
pick up
artists and
women that
ended in nasty
things
happening.
It claims that
all PUA
theories are
cod
evolutionary
psycology.
The nearest
thing to a
respectable
volume the
genre has is
Neil Strauss's
best seller
"the
Game".
I'm not sure
if this world
is really
dangerous or
just deluded
or a spectrum
of dangerous
to the deluded
with the odd
gem of good
sense like
"dont get too
pissed"
dropped in but
at best it's
all a bit
Arnold Rimmer,
isn't
it? ...
then again
Chris Rock
said it worked
for him.
Personally I'm
too tight to
pay anyone for
any kind of
advice but the
main problem
it seems to me
that feminism
would seem to
have with the
PUA world
...would seem
to be the
divorce of
romance from
sex. ITV
tried to
square this
circle by
getting Dapper
to take a lady
out on the
pull but it
seems the
format was
still left at
best an
octagon.
That said it
seems odd to
me that there
should be
nothing to be
learned from
the animal
kingdom that
can be related
to human
sexuality when
it comes to
chatting
people
up. The
New
Statesman's
article on the
subject starts
to go a bit
Pear Shaped
for me when it
starts on
about "
the
neoliberal
doctrine of
rational
self-interest".
It seems that
perhaps in a
very round
about way the
PUA
community's
rhetoric comes
into political
conflict of
their own
world view
that actually
everyone's
altruistic at
heart.... and
that what they
really don't
like are ideas
like women are
attracted to
men for their
status and
wealth.
When it starts
going on about
"
we can be
reasonably
sure that
prehistoric
human
societies were
non-hierarchical,
egalitarian
and
cooperative,
as are the
majority of
today's
hunter-gatherer
societies that
have survived,
and that human
nature still
tends towards
these
instincts"
I'm reasonably
sure they're
wandering into
as much pseudo
science
themselves as
the PUA
community.
Picking out
scientific
papers that
underpin their
worldview
rather than
objectively
looking at all
the scientific
evidence.
Indeed reading
what both
sides have to
say on the
subject is
more painful
than simply
asking someone
else out and
being rejected
and maybe
that's the
real reason
the PUA
community
shouldn't be
promoted.
That said the
PUA community
clearly does
exist and
should be
represented in
some
way.
While I didn't
find Dapper
Laughs funny I
did find it
interesting
... in the
same way
picking up a
stone and
seeing what's
underneath is
interesting.
It reminded me
a bit of
Cinatras
nightclub in
Croydon best
described by
Dave Dynamite
as "
a place
where you can
meet three
generations of
single mothers
in the same
night".
Cinatras
before it
closed tried
to go upmarket
too. The
owner who was
some distant
relation to
the Richardson
Gang (or so it
was rumoured)
once hired
Roddy Frazer
to put on a
comedy night
there.
They were
really up for
it.
Spent a
fortune in
flyering the
gig and
promotion.
Result 2
punters.
There are some
turds you
really can't
polish.
Moving on to
the issue of
is it
censorship?
Kern offers us
his clarity on
the subject
over at the
Huffingdon
post:
"
Cardiff
University's
student union
have every
right to
choose who
performs on
their
premises. He
has not been
censored. He
is free to
perform
anywhere that
wants him to
perform. That
is the right
of any venue
and a right we
all have. If I
had a man
knock on my
front door
saying,
"Excuse me -
do you mind if
I go to the
toilet on your
living room
floor?" I
don't have to
say "Sure,
I'll wait in
the kitchen."
In the same
way, Cardiff
University's
Student Union
don't need to
invite someone
who wants to
crap on all
their female
students. If
Britain First
approached
Cardiff and
said, "Can we
hold a white's
only disco in
your union?"
the union
doesn't have
to say yes and
they are not
censors for
exercising
their freedom
of choice."
The problem
with this
argument is
that the NUS's
campaign
against Dapper
Laughs hasn't
just been
restricted to
its own
venues.
Here's a
petition to
ban him from
the
O2
Leeds -
not a
University
venue.
Replete with
pictures of
students
claiming
Tequila
Promotes rape.
Years ago the
RCC
(historically
the world's
biggest
censor) used
to have the
Index Librorum
Prohibitorum -
list of banned
books.
It was great
you knew
exactly where
to go get all
the worst
literature.
Growing up in
a bohemian and
artistic
household like
what I did we
had them all
next to the
religious
tracts. In
1966 Pope Paul
VI abolished
the
Index.
Why?
Firstly great
PR and
Secondly ...It

didn’t
work. It
was too long
and had simply
become a
catalogue of
dirty books
for people
with twisted
minds like
mine. Of
course these
days the RCC
still does
censorship
…it’s just
subcontracted
to characters
like Deacon
Nick Donnelly
and Bill
Donohue of the
US Catholic
League who can
run their hate
campaigns at a
distance with
a level of
plausible
deniability
…they use
excuses like
they are grass
roots
movements that
enable those
with authority
to disown
their
activities
when they go
too far – a
bit like Lee
Kern neither
signing nor
condemning the
petition
against Dapper
or the NUS
claiming their
students are
just a grass
roots movement
and have no
organised
plan.
Eventually
though
the
dots do get
connected.
I try to avoid
the subject of
censorship on
this site
usually as
some of these
people are not
very nice to
cross and I
dont want them
picketing the
venue or
something ...
but I believe
Stephen
Green is
busy at the
moment so I
thought I'd
chance it.
The truth is
that these
people do want
censorship but
as they're
unable to get
it for
everyone
they're
engaged in
symbolic
campaigns over
those that
they are
socially able
to control.
Censorship
hasn't gone
away - it
still exists
it’s just done
by social
bullying.
Ask
Cosimo
Cavallaro
about his
statue of
Jesus made out
Chocolate.
Yes the NUS
banning him
from their
venues is
censorship.
Anyone who
wasn’t born
yesterday
knows
so.
Years ago the
BBFC would not
allow the
Exorcist to be
seen except in
a
cinema.
It was banned
from TV and
VHS.
Just because
your
censorship
doesn't extend
over every
platform
doesn't mean
it isn't
censorship.
People in
Opus Dei
which still
uses the Index
and other
monastic
groups submit
themselves to
complex
systems of
self
censorship.
It's still a
closed idea
system and
closed idea
systems create
people who are
devastatingly
sure of their
opinions.
The kind of
people who
underline
words.
Still Lee
Kern, Chris
Coltrane,
Nathaniel
Tapley, the
NUS and Abi
Wilkinson are
only
responsible
for getting
the mob
together like
Jim Nolan in
In Dubious
Battle ...we
can't hold any
of them
responsible
for the end
result.
No platform
policies are
censorship.
No platform
policies
aren’t stupid
it’s what I do
myself but if
you apply them
too widely you
end up looking
silly because
there comes a
point where it
stops being
relational
aggression and
just becomes
isolating
yourself.
Mind you if I
ran a
University I’d
use the not
being funny
excuse not to
book these
people…
http://www.indexoncensorship.org/2013/11/controversial-university-speakers/
I mean come on
… Creating
trouble with
platforms/venues
is the oldest
censorship
trick in the
book.
It's what Lee
Jasper does to
Exhibit
B. To be
fair Exhibit B
probably
deserves it
and I know
this because
I’m a big
enough bastard
to have done
it myself
so....
I’m not saying
there’s no
place for such
action but if
Django
Unchained was
a play Spike
Lee would have
caused venue
problems
…
Kern
further writes
that:
"
Dapper
Laughs show
wasn't banned.
His series ran
for it's full
length on
ITV2. The
channel
decided they
won't
recommission a
second series.
That is not a
ban and to
argue this is
a way to
reframe the
debate and
shift things
from the true
discussion
about misogyny
that should be
taking place.
"
But the truth
is while it
probably
wouldn't have
got a second
series before
... now we'll
never
know.
Change can
collect as
many
signatures as
they like but
art will never
be a democracy
because it's
made by
individuals.
Fortunately
Dapper Laughs
isn't just art
it's
entertainment
and as it
failed as
entertainment
it should go
on that basis
alone but the
problem is now
we'll never
know quite why
... except
Daniel fell on
his sword
anyway but ...
it is
disturbing he
seems not to
understand
what
censorship is.
"
Moreover,
free speech is
a red herring
here. No-one
is saying
Dapper doesn't
have the right
to say any of
the things he
says. But
anyone
suggesting
that men and
women who find
Dapper Laughs
abhorrent
should sit
back and let
him say and do
whatever he
wants without
any response
appear to be
the real
people with an
affinity for
stifling free
speech.
In fact, they
actually
appear to
misunderstand
the nature of
free speech,
democracy or
the history of
how human
beings evolve
ideas - namely
- one person
says one thing
- another
person says
something in
counterpoint.
As a result
ideas evolve
and develop.
In the tussle
between ideas
and values the
better ideas
and values
will hopefully
win. That's
what's taking
place here. An
exchange of
ideas."
Yes, we all
told Daniel he
was being
stupid and he
listened but
none-the-less
your
understanding
of free speech
and art Mr
Kern is
dire.
Art does not
have to be the
evolution of
ideas between
the group and
the
individual.
It can be the
individual
evolving ideas
on their
own. A
piece of art
is a piece of
art and art is
not
necessarily a
constant
renegotiation
of everyone's
values.
Once created a
piece of art
exists and has
a life of its
own and
artists may
wish to
compromise
with their
critics like
Enid Blighton
and Charles
Dickens taking
the racist
words out of
their works in
later editions
but they don't
and shouldn't
be
forced to.
They don't
have
to.
If they have
to there is no
real free
expression of
ideas.
Picketing
people out of
venues and
lobbying for
their TV shows
to be dropped
is a sticking
plaster.
It might
alleviate the
immediate
problem but it
doesn't follow
they're
actually going
to change what
they
think.
Of course some
people will
never change
what they they
think and
that's why we
have hate
legislation
but you should
at least try
first...
Art is I
create
something -
You look at
it. Not
I say
something and
we have a
debate about
it.
That's a gong
show.
If 200,000
people watch
it and 70,000
complain how
do we know
it's been
pulled because
it's shit or
because of the
complaints?
Neither Kern
nor the NUS
nor anyone
else can
honestly
answer this
question but
fortunately
Daniel has had
the moral
pluck to admit
that actually
Dapper Laughs
went Pear
Shaped.
Also frankly
you can
reframe your
own bottom as
far as I'm
concerned I
just write
about what I
like not what
other people
think is
important.
Where's the
fun in writing
about what I'm
supposed
to?
Going back to
the incident I
recalled on
the
Lads
page when
I once booked
an act who
blacked up on
stage in front
of a black man
with no
warning. The
thing that
made the whole
thing
really
awful was
when the black
audience
member in
question
explained how
his parents
had been at
the forefront
of the decade
long campaign
to get the
Black and
White
Minstrels off
TV. A
deserving
cause for
censorship if
ever there was
one. But
of course in
those days
there were
only 3
channels so it
took them
forever to
change
anything.
Now there are
as many as the
digital
algorithum
will
allow.
So if you can
knock down any
program you
don't like
with a
petition that
raises the
reverse
issues...?
Also getting
a
program
off TV might
now be easy
but what about
a
type
of
program...
if you want to
do this sort
of thing you
should get
together with
mediawatch or
something...
and get a
plan... and
have some kind
of
organisation
which sets out
clear rules of
what we can
and can't do
so at least we
know when
we're breaking
them.
The problem
with most
people's
complaints
about anything
is they're
often so
opaque it's
difficult to
get to the
root of what
their real
problem
is. For
instance if
someone had
told us from
the start "the
problem is
he's a pick up
artist", what
one is and why
it's so bad I
wouldn't have
had to spend 4
weeks trying
to understand
that.
I mean I know
I'm supposed
to be shocked
by Mr Dapper
but I would
point out
residents of
Croydon have
Ashley
Inkz to
put up
with. I
took this up
with Dom Jolly
on twitter and
we both agreed
that some of
his stunts are
funny but when
you start
telling the
public to "
go
eat ****"
you've stopped
being the
reincaration
of Jeremy
Beadle and
started being
...well, a
...well, let's
say the whole
thing's been
waiting to
happen, hasn't
it?
In my view the
question isn’t
“is it
censorship”?
It’s –
Where do you
draw your
line?
Who do you
take on?
Why?
Censorship
isn’t black
and
white.
It is fifty
shades of
grey.
The problem
with most
censors or
people who go
into
censorship.
Sorry I mean
... people who
"
believe
that media
producers
should
exercise their
freedom of
expression
with
responsibility"
is they never
seem to know
when to
stop...
there are
quite a lot of
identity
politicians
who when they
run out of
injustice seem
to invent some
... but I
suppose it's
nice to know
that they're
actually there
and ready for
when a genuine
injustice
should
arise...
For example
there seem a
few
similarities
between the
arguments
advanced
against Dapper
Laughs and the
arguments
advanced by
the RCC
against the
Vagina Monologues...
regularly the
subject of
attempted
campus bans in
the USA.
"For
those readers
who may not
know, the
Vagina M
onologues
were written
by Eve Ensler,
She said she
wrote them “To
celebrate the
vagina”.
She also said
that her
“fascination”
with vaginas
began because
of “Growing-up
in a violent
society”.
As their name
suggests these
“Monologues”
are a series
of stories,
Sometimes they
are read by
the same
person;
sometimes by
different
people.
One of the
Monologues is
called “The
Little Coochie
Snorcher That
Could” in
which a
grown-up woman
is recalling
with great
relish and
pleasure how
she was raped
when she was
13 years old
by an older
woman aged 24.
This rape is
remembered by
the story
teller as
positive and
healing
experience;
she says “It
was a Good
Rape”.
This is just
one example of
one of the
Vagina
Monologues. I
expect the
Heythrop
Students’
Union will be
seeing to it
that the
entire “set”
of monologues
is
performed.
Surely this
glorifying of
Lesbian rape
is deeply
contrary to
the Catholic
faith?
How can such
an appallingly
evil
performance be
permitted in a
Catholic
theological
Jesuit
college?
If I were a
parent I would
have very deep
concerns
indeed about a
child of mine
who was at a
Jesuit
school."
Leaving aside
the fact that
Eve Ensler
rewrote the
rape scene in
question as a
result of
protests and
the problems
between art
reflecting
reality and
promoting
unwanted
unintended
messages ...
it is
interesting
how the writer
infantilises
the adult
audience of
the
production.
Never mind
that these are
grown adults
in higher
education ...
they are not
to be treated
as adults or
trusted as
adults.
The same theme
runs through
the NUS's "Lad
Culture"
rhetoric.
The students
are not "young
men" or "men"
they are
"lads".
That is to say
they are other
than the
women.
They are still
viewed as
children
incapable of
adult
thought.
Such are the
devices needed
to excuse
censorship.
Some of us
were thrown
out of school
at 16.
Now everyone
is forced to
stay in school
till 18 and
even after
that in higher
education they
are still
"lads" not
men.
Exactly at
what age do
you trust them
to make their
own
choices?
I venture the
answer is
never.
The problem
with most
censors is
that their
whole
personality
seems to end
up invested in
the idea
system they
are censoring
in aid
of. They
never seem to
look at
anything
objectively to
even try and
find some good
in it
somewhere.
Then again you
could argue
that sexism
and racism are
issues on
which one's
mind should be
closed.
It's little
wonder that
with such
problems the
NUS is
suffering
endemic
structural
problems.
For instance
we read on
publications
like
the
TAB that
Oxford
University has
now voted to
leave the
NUS.
That there is
discontent is
not hard to
guage.
I've been
aware of the
Cheese Grater crowd
who hang down
the Fitzroy
Tavern for
quite some
time.
Not all
discontent at
the NUS is as
brainless as
Dapper
Laughs.
In the latest
issue they
write of the
continuing
poor turnout
of student
union
elections -
less than 6.1
per cent of
the student
body.
"It seems many
candidates
might have
stood for
election
simply for the
£100 campaign
budget. On a
Monday in
Phineas, that
could get you
a hundred
275ml bottles
of Tuborg,
which by our
reckoning is
quite a lot of
beer.".
Not a lot
changes does
it?
The history of
censorship is
won battles
and lost wars
and reading
Elanor Mills
article in the
Sunday Times
about how "
YouTube
is not an
equivalent, or
a replacement,
for mainstream
television.
YouTube is an
experimental
Wild West.
That’s fine
and
understandable
— today’s
youth are so
penned in
because of
safety
concerns that
it is online
where they can
have the kind
of adventures
and try out
the new
identities
that many of
us from older
generations
did in the
real world.
They are
entitled to an
unregulated,
adult-free
realm."
...I smiled
and remembered
when they
thought they
could exile
DJs to Radio
Caroline.
For what she's
really written
is
"Shit!
They've broken
out of their
pen
again!
Let's try and
pen in what we
can!".
The Mills of
the world
pretend they
want an
experimental
sphere
somewhere but
they
don't.
Really they
just can't get
what they want
so they go for
what they
think they can
get. But
it all seems
to me as
futile as the
BBFC trying to
ban Natural
Born Killers
... it all
ends up in the
mainstream in
the end.
For one thing
No Platform
polices that
rely on
relational
aggression are
hard to
enforce.
Many years ago
Mr Political
Corretness
himself Toby
Hadoke tried
to book Jerry
Sadowitz for
XS
Malarkey.
Toby was and
is Mr
Avuncular.
He booked his
club himself
in the early
days and was
always
available on
the phone
...till he got
an
agent.
Toby would
love to be a
sociopath like
me and capable
of doing
really bad
things on
stage and not
being booked
by that
promoter for
another 10
years ... but
his inner
Jiminy Cricket
would probably
prevent him
doing
this. So
what do you do
if you're such
a nice
person?
You book
Sadowitz
instead to be
naughty for
you.
Of course the
problem was
when Toby
asked other
stars to play
his club they
were always
willing to
cheaply
because
comedians are
mostly
sociable.
Sadowitz is an
introvert and
knowing that
he was wanted
and held all
the
negotiating
cards kept
renegotiating,
pushing the
price up,
arguing about
the ticket
price he
should be
going out at
... using
arguments like
I use magic
props they're
expensive etc
etc ... which
may have been
true or
negotiating
positions...
until
eventually
Toby snapped
and it all
ended up in a
huge row
...which I
think I
settled by
pointing out
that it's his
labour and he
can sell it
for what he
likes and no
matter how
much they
wanted to be
sociable he
hadn't bought
into their
socialist
ethos and
didn't owe
them
anything.
After all he's
never
pretended to
be what he
aint?
I'm not sure
what the point
of this story
is except that
socially
isolating
people
continually is
very hard
work.
Even when
they're quite
happy being
socially
isolated.
So the outside
will leak in
eventually.
Just as
Burlesque has
leaked back
into stand-up
despite
Camden
Council's best
efforts to
make them get
an adult
entertainment
licence like
Peter
Stringfellow...
maybe it's
just a
never-ending-battle.
And maybe
whether you
win or not
doesn't
actually
matter.
At the end of
the line I'm
not that
bothered by
stupid women
stripping
under the
delusion it's
art and I
wasn't that
bothered by
Dapper Laughs
either.
But I was
bothered about
whether or not
I should be
bothered?
Am I bovvered?
Well, we all
remember the
clean up
comedy
campaigns of
the
past. I
particularly
enjoyed Johann
Hari's when he
called
Reginald D
Hunter a
"black Bernard
Manning".
No, he can't
be ... we all
protested ...
he's as cool
as Samuel L
Jackson?
The PFA
however
decided that
he was more
like Ordell
Robbie.
Then again I
also enjoyed
it when Hari
got caught out
for plagerism
and had to
give back the
Orwell
Prize.
Then again ...
then again ...
who
cares?
As my critics
all over the
internet would
probably
say...
"
Anthony,
these are
subtleties! We
are not
concerned with
motives, with
the higher
ethics. We are
concerned only
with cutting
down misogyny
and with
relieving the
ghastly
congestion in
our prisons.
Daniel will be
your true
feminist,
ready to turn
the other
cheek, ready
to be
crucified
rather than
crucify, sick
to the heart
at the thought
of killing a
fly.
Reclamation!
Joy before the
ladies of the
NUS!
The point is
that it works".
I was cured,
all right!